Greatest_Aether
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But that's how a lot of people's meteor smashes are: Spike or miss and look like an idiot. Like Ness, Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, Mario, need I go on?
Kien's Custom Minus Build
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Thor
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Yeah yeah... dat ain't Falco.
Greatest_Aether
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I don't know how to respond to this.
Darxmarx
The Learning Star Warrior
Was Venus Lighthouse the stage where Kien lost his shit and sent everyone a pm asking if they wanted it?
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Thor
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Falco would become bottom tier in Minus if he didn't have his dair - his onstage game needs it pretty badly for him to have any realistic non-SDIable combos, and even then one can SDI utilt, which is better than usmash for these more often than not. With the movement speeds of Falcon and the durability of others, his lasers just don't get there and while he can still try jab shenanigans, they're much harder than in Brawl - his lasers were better slow for his projectile game, I can see that now, since they let him control space so much more effectively (whereas he can barely camp Captain Falcon on a wide stage because his movement speed is just so fast).
That's why his dair is our version of Melee dair - they'd have to buff Falco a lot to fix him if they removed this move in its function.
Dorf and Ness dair don't look as dumb when they miss. Marth's is kinda funny though.
Greatest_Aether
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That's an easy fix. Just speed up the endlag of Ike's dair.
NEWB
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Falco is the only one that really needs his Dair sourspot. It's part of his onstage game.
Being slower, I CAN actually make use of it but I'm not sure he needs it either.
Guys..hitboxes can't be seen and don't effect how a move looks. There is no differentiating a sweet spot from a sourspot visuallly. It looks fine as long as as attacks themselves deal damage and that all parts of the attack deal damage. When there is no attack, it is weird for there to be a hitbox unless it serves a technical purpose. In Ike's case, it doesn't do much.
Being slower, I CAN actually make use of it but I'm not sure he needs it either.
Guys..hitboxes can't be seen and don't effect how a move looks. There is no differentiating a sweet spot from a sourspot visuallly. It looks fine as long as as attacks themselves deal damage and that all parts of the attack deal damage. When there is no attack, it is weird for there to be a hitbox unless it serves a technical purpose. In Ike's case, it doesn't do much.
Yes it was. I really am thinking about removing Summit for the Lighthouse. But Some people probably like Sumit. What about Pictochat? That way no one loses a home stage for it.
Also, codes are being added too. Or at least the Wifi code is.
Greatest_Aether
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Put it over FD Kien. No one goes there anyway.
Darxmarx
The Learning Star Warrior
Overall, I'm pretty happy with the Kirby you made. All of the tricks that make me love Kirby are still intact. A consistent Final Cutter beam that always deals 12% is especially nice.
I'll just have to get used to the nair and weight changes.
Also, I feel like the electric hitbox on Kirby's "transforming back" animation for Stone is pretty stupid. It makes Stone more of a counter move than it should be.
I'll just have to get used to the nair and weight changes.
Also, I feel like the electric hitbox on Kirby's "transforming back" animation for Stone is pretty stupid. It makes Stone more of a counter move than it should be.
If you can't find a use for that sourspot then I think you're not looking hard enough. It effectively gives Ike a sex kick, which is always a nice option to have; using it after SideB is one common application. It also gives Ike more versatility in how it hits in a different angle compared to the sweetspot (upwards rather than downwards), which could potentially lead into Uair kills. This versatility to a single attack makes a character more interesting by letting individual attacks have dynamic hitboxes, attacks that change function and application when use slightly differently.
Greatest_Aether
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Well, yeah, but hitting a grounded opponent with the sweetspot pops them up just as good as the sourspot, but deals more damage. The only thing good I could really think of that Ike's dair gives him is a sex kick as you mentioned.
Gold_TSG
Can't stop The Dorf Train.
The sweetspot pops them yes, but have you paid attention how quick it comes out, generally? Landing it consistently isn't easy, and removing all of the sourspot seems counterproductive since its in brawl. If anything, the angle/damage/kb should be tampered with to make it more appropriate, cause no matter how you look at it, swords are sharp, so it's gonna hurt someone.
Greatest_Aether
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Huh. Never thought of it like that. Consider my entire argument against Ike's dair sourspot invalid.
I play Ike as well but using Ike's dair as a sex attack is not something I do. His nair is better at spacing and it also pops people up for combos. Having multiple moves with practically the same function feels off to me.
Swords being sharp would mean that the swordsmen should really be able to hurt people just by running against them as they are swinging their blades as they run. In Ike's case he swings it faster running than when he pulls it up after dair.
Swords being sharp would mean that the swordsmen should really be able to hurt people just by running against them as they are swinging their blades as they run. In Ike's case he swings it faster running than when he pulls it up after dair.
Thor
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His dair stays out for a while - we're saying leave the hitbox on until he starts to retract it, not until it's back fully, as there's definitely a part of the animation where it's still fully below him.
And just because you don't do it doesn't mean it's a bad thing - Bash barely used uair for the longest time, but once he started gimping with it at least found a use for it - and he didn't apparently go for utilt -> rest but that was a good option as well - and I know I almost never use Falco's dtilt since I want it to be stronger but it's supposed to be good for something so I've messed with it and at least found highly situational moments for it now.
Gold_TSG
Can't stop The Dorf Train.
Dair gets people off of Ike below him if he misses the meteor, same as Samus's nair around her. It hits hard during the initial attack, but doesn't leave her completely vulnerable if it misses that hit. Remember that damage/kb/angle can be changed to whatever you want, so if it serves the same purpose as nair in your mind, give it new properties.
Got my Wii stuff back. Can continue to work on this now. Trying to make Ike's dair lingering box have a different use than Nair and some other things with Zelda, Samus, and stuff. Planning to release the next patch soonish. It won't be big but it should be okay.