Super Smash Bros. 4 Discussion

Windego

Windego

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Thor said:
At this point it's looking like Sheik/Rosalina/ZSS, I haven't seen anything suggesting Fox and Marth are top... or are you just referencing how people pretty much only play Melee?

Also I hope your circle pad gets fixed Greatest_Aether.

I have all the custom specials for only Link, Captain Falcon, [I think MK, or else I lack one for him], and Mii Fighters (duh). Though I'm missing only one with Falco, and I think I'm reasonably close with Lucario. The rest I am still missing a fair number (but haven't tried to dedicatedly farm classic on like level 7 or 8 or something to get them, so my own fault).
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Sheik, Rosa and ZSS are top. Fox and Marth are considered among the Top 10 and Lucario and Sonic are up there too. Robin, Greninja and Cap Falcon are also considered among the top so that's pretty much it. I think people are just assuming this due to speculation right now because ZSS, Sheik and Rosalina really are dominating the game for now. I think Rosalina is super good no matter how you look at it but Sheik...I dunno, she can't KO too well :/ She does run circles and combo you a lot but I've seen videos of her struggling to get that KO so it usually becomes the "how long can Sheik edge guard before the other person finally can't come back?" game. Could just be my experience, I dunno if people figured out her KO tools.
 
Gold_TSG

Gold_TSG

Can't stop The Dorf Train.
Rosalina comes off as too strong. With her ability to essentially be in two places at once with Luma, and the range she has with all her attacks, she's next to impossible to fight. I personally don't enjoy fighting her, and my opinion is that she's bad for the game due to how few weaknesses she actually has. Sure you can kill Luma and force her to be close to hit you, but again, her range comes into play, and her dodging is very awkward to play against. And since losing Luma isn't permanent per stock, she has more than enough ability to keep away til she comes back.
 
Windego

Windego

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Gold_TSG said:
Rosalina comes off as too strong. With her ability to essentially be in two places at once with Luma, and the range she has with all her attacks, she's next to impossible to fight. I personally don't enjoy fighting her, and my opinion is that she's bad for the game due to how few weaknesses she actually has. Sure you can kill Luma and force her to be close to hit you, but again, her range comes into play, and her dodging is very awkward to play against. And since losing Luma isn't permanent per stock, she has more than enough ability to keep away til she comes back.
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I find it ironic that after all that talk about making sure the game is balanced and whatnot, we still come out with a Meta Knight-powered character at the end of the day. And somehow I dunno if they're gonna bother to make balance updates for this game :/

It's starting to really bug me how slow the falling speed is. Every time I get launched up I feel like all I'm doing is waiting to hit R to not get comboed a bunch or relaunched :confused: I'm starting to actually miss the melee speed and I don't play or particularly like competitive Melee :/
 
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Tybis

Tybis

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Windego said:
I find it ironic that after all that talk about making sure the game is balanced and whatnot, we still come out with a Meta Knight-powered character at the end of the day.
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Woah there, I wouldn't say she's THAT good. You just need a different mindset when fighting her. Kill Luma, chase her down. Luma goes into a kind of specialfall anytime it's hit in the air, so hit it ONCE offstage and it's guaranteed gone.
 
Windego

Windego

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Tybis said:
Woah there, I wouldn't say she's THAT good. You just need a different mindset when fighting her. Kill Luma, chase her down. Luma goes into a kind of specialfall anytime it's hit in the air, so hit it ONCE offstage and it's guaranteed gone.
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I've been meaning to ask but what's the dino thing you have for your sig?

Well I guess it's true she doesn't win for free but she's still pretty high up there.

http://mynintendonews.com/2014/10/1...ible-smash-bros-wii-u-nintendo-direct-coming/ So this is a thing.
 
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Thor

Thor

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Gold_TSG said:
Rosalina comes off as too strong. With her ability to essentially be in two places at once with Luma, and the range she has with all her attacks, she's next to impossible to fight. I personally don't enjoy fighting her, and my opinion is that she's bad for the game due to how few weaknesses she actually has. Sure you can kill Luma and force her to be close to hit you, but again, her range comes into play, and her dodging is very awkward to play against. And since losing Luma isn't permanent per stock, she has more than enough ability to keep away til she comes back.
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FYI, someone did tests, she's literally the second-lightest in the whole game, and her hurtbox is huge, so she has flaws.

I have yet to fight a good Rosalina though, so I don't know.

To Windego:

Agree with Tybis fully.

Also just do your shortest duration aerial then you can fastfall airdodge (though you get the landing lag if you're not too high up).
Or don't airdodge, most characters still fall like a rock when they fastfall.
 
Gold_TSG

Gold_TSG

Can't stop The Dorf Train.
Next to no weaknesses =/= no weaknesses

MK was light as hell and could be outranged by several characters. That didn't stop him from being god tier in Brawl.

I have faced good Rosalinas already, and they are infuriating.
 
Windego

Windego

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I'm gonna attribute it to people need to keep figuring this stuff out and learning the match ups more. Initial impressions aren't always right and there's been a lot of tier lists (For those of you who care about those) that start one way at end very differently years later. Just look at Melee's.

Samurai says he isn't done developing the WiiU version...I wonder if the DLC leaks are gonna be true. Honestly, Smash 3DS feels more like this big extended demo of things to come in a way.
 
Thor

Thor

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Gold_TSG said:
Next to no weaknesses =/= no weaknesses

MK was light as hell and could be outranged by several characters. That didn't stop him from being god tier in Brawl.

I have faced good Rosalinas already, and they are infuriating.
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Not trying to be obnoxious, but sounds like ROB circa 2008. I think Rosalina will be good, but I don't know if she's top.

Any videos? I'd be interested to see good Rosalina footage - haven't really seen any...
 
Gold_TSG

Gold_TSG

Can't stop The Dorf Train.
All I'm saying is that from personal experience, she's an issue. I need to fight her more, but as it stands, she could very well turn into smash 4's version of minus ROB. She's super good, and can effectively cover her weaknesses with smart play.
 
AeroIncarnated

AeroIncarnated

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Hey guys did you know that the master core can kill you in it's final form. If you make it red and wait long enough it will do a move similar to tabuu's wave attack. It will kill you instantly no matter what. So don't just leave it there kill it right away.
 
Tybis

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NEWB said:
I'm confused. What was weird about that?
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Look at this video, it's more pronounced (and awesome) here. After Wario gets launched, it's possible to perform a glitch that allows him to... reverse his momentum?

 
Pin Clock

Pin Clock

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Rosalina is nothing like MAX R.OB. or vBrawl MK. She has clear weaknesses and several bad match-ups. Her weakness, without saying, is Rosaalina with a dead Luma. She loses a lot of her coverage and abilities without Luma, and has to deal with the pressure up close. I'm no Rosalina main, but I know she has issues with Jiggs, since approaching in the air ignores Luma both up close or at a distance. Rosalina has distinct flaws and is much weaker than MAX R.O.B. and especially vBrawl MK.
 
Greatest_Aether

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But when she does have Luma, she can out-range and out-camp Mega Man. FREAKING MEGA MAN. Let that settle in for a moment.
 
Pin Clock

Pin Clock

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Greatest_Aether said:
But when she does have Luma, she can out-range and out-camp Mega Man. FREAKING MEGA MAN. Let that settle in for a moment.
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So focus your energy on getting Luma out of your way. He's not that hard to smack and if you hit him off stage he's dead. Close the space between you and Rosalina. It may be a bad MU for Mega, but that means nothing in terms of Rosalina's power.
 
Greatest_Aether

Greatest_Aether

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Yes, but you need to hit him so far away. He has 3 midair jumps, so you need to focus on either edgeguarding Luma, which leaves you open to a throw by Rosalina, or you could attack Rosalina, and while you're hitting her, she can still control her Luma to hit you. BUT if you can kill Luma, she's gone. Not to say she can't defend herself, but things are sure looking down for her.
 
Pin Clock

Pin Clock

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Greatest_Aether said:
Yes, but you need to hit him so far away. He has 3 midair jumps, so you need to focus on either edgeguarding Luma, which leaves you open to a throw by Rosalina, or you could attack Rosalina, and while you're hitting her, she can still control her Luma to hit you. BUT if you can kill Luma, she's gone.
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Knock Luma off-stage and start hitting Rosalina. She may be able to have Luma attack while in hitstun, but Rosalina can't call him back to her while in hitstun. The goal against them is to get Luma out of your path as you get in Rosa's face.

Not to say she can't defend herself, but things are sure looking down for her.
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Rosalina's pretty tall, it's safe to say she looks down a lot of the time.
 
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