Suggestions for Brawl Minus MAX 3.3
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Thor
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I know how to use Falco lasers. But the thing is, aerial Falco lasers help approach and set up walls. I just wanted back ground quick lasers so that I can shoot single lasers onstage to mess with people's recoveries a little easier from onstage (and also make someone shooting a stream of grounded lasers less annoying in FFAs, although that's probably not a dev concern).
Bthrow lasers shouldn't carry someone off FD to KO unless they're at like 500% or else can't DI/SDI the lasers. I can usually DI the lasers so that I'm hit by like 3 of them, tops.
Pikachu's up+b hasn't been an issue for me. Not sure what issue y'all are having.
Am I just bad at jab->grab in this game or is it actually made to be trickier (Rarely issues in Brawl with it)? Also, it [sometimes] feels like the Gentleman (3rd hit) of Falcon's jab combo has the rapid jab come out even if I just tap A three times - is there a way to change how his rapid jab works so that I accidentally use it so much?
Bthrow lasers shouldn't carry someone off FD to KO unless they're at like 500% or else can't DI/SDI the lasers. I can usually DI the lasers so that I'm hit by like 3 of them, tops.
Pikachu's up+b hasn't been an issue for me. Not sure what issue y'all are having.
Am I just bad at jab->grab in this game or is it actually made to be trickier (Rarely issues in Brawl with it)? Also, it [sometimes] feels like the Gentleman (3rd hit) of Falcon's jab combo has the rapid jab come out even if I just tap A three times - is there a way to change how his rapid jab works so that I accidentally use it so much?
NEWB
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You have a point about grounded lasers not being particularly useful, but the point in changing them in the first place was that his melee playstyle and premax playstyle was very campy and generally not fun to play against. Some people would call it gay and campy and I agree
Also, his back throw doesn't kill very much. I was just saying it can, and certainly not at low percents. I like the grab as it is now, and haven't seen anyone, myself included, DI out of it.
Also, his back throw doesn't kill very much. I was just saying it can, and certainly not at low percents. I like the grab as it is now, and haven't seen anyone, myself included, DI out of it.
justadood
Just a dood with ideas
what if the laser's articles were copied so you have one "fast laser" and one slow laser?... also, i'd suggest that the "fast laser" on ground be a charging thing, a little like link's arrows, so if you charge B you can shoot a quicker and slightly more powerful laser... i play against a lot of falcos, and i can definitely notice how much of a difference not being able to use quick lasers makes... especially with hitting offstage foes... maybe make yourself able to hold the charge... i cannot stress enough how badly i want chargeable lasers for the starfox crew xP fox's would get slower, but bigger and stronger, falco's would get quicker and slightly stronger, but be "attack" blockable, and wolf's would shoot more at a time, like the way he does a kind of three round shot right now normally... (another suggestion for falco is to give his charge shot a kind of "shotgun" blast, like his throws, but a little narrower)... i should make a thread with my suggestions soon... i'll write them all down and get them on a separate thread...
Thor
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Explain to me, then, how in 2.X.6 his grounded lasers were bigger and did double damage, while his aerial lasers did regular damage.
Your statement would seem inaccurate, given that this was possible in 2.X.6. Or could you explain why it was possible then to make grounded/aerial different power, but not different speeds?
iirc i think it's possible to make them do different damage/change certain properties based on air/ground state, however changing laser speed is impossible as it's controlled by a floating point buried in his file, and not by PSA. the laser speed applies to the lasers regardless of any coding we put into lasers. Also, we can't 'copy' articles. The articles are completely separate function call and are instantiated in sora_melee (soArticleMediator, soInstanceImpl etc etc) and so 'copying' articles is quite impossible. (unless your Phantom Wings, and even then it was highly buggy and required extensive module editing)
I can assure you that Pin's statement is accurate, as we have tried many many times to change not just his but MANY characters articles in a similar way. we can however make them do more damage in the air, or make a diff gfx in the air or what have you. Just not travel speed. (actually im not even sure if we can do that, this is a question more for Kien)
I can assure you that Pin's statement is accurate, as we have tried many many times to change not just his but MANY characters articles in a similar way. we can however make them do more damage in the air, or make a diff gfx in the air or what have you. Just not travel speed. (actually im not even sure if we can do that, this is a question more for Kien)
Thor
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Not that I know much about coding (so this may be laughably difficult), but can you create articles? You've already shown you can access them to change them (laser speed)... If so, couldn't then you pick the article called based on Falco's location (so if he's grounded, fast laser, or else slow lasers)? I don't know, this idea came to me but if this won't work, a simple "it won't work" will suffice.
Anyone else want extra knockback on Falco's dtilt? I kinda want to see it be more like Melee's (maybe not KO at 110%, but like 130%) or at least have some higher base knockback.
Anyone else want extra knockback on Falco's dtilt? I kinda want to see it be more like Melee's (maybe not KO at 110%, but like 130%) or at least have some higher base knockback.
NEWB
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I don't think Falco's dtilt needs more knockback. He is one of my mains and it works fine. I like being able to jump and use Nair to bring foes back down after dtilt at low percents. It does kill at some point too.
Falco is pretty good. Play me, and you won't want more buffs. I play a mean falco. I haven't seen anyone else play him as good as me yet, and mine.... still has a couple of kinks I'm trying to iron out...
Falco is pretty good. Play me, and you won't want more buffs. I play a mean falco. I haven't seen anyone else play him as good as me yet, and mine.... still has a couple of kinks I'm trying to iron out...
Gold_TSG
Can't stop The Dorf Train.
Is there any chance DK could get a little more range on his running grab? Nothing too significant, just enough where it doesn't feel like what looks like should have been a grab turns out to be a miss. I've had countless matches where I'd try to go for a running grab, know I'm in range, but it still misses. It's almost useless as it is, and as a DK main, it doesn't feel proper.
NEWB
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It is kinda weird that he would have a hard time grabbing, but his playstyle doesn't revolve around grabbing. Doesn't bother me since I pretty much never dash grab. I do a lot of power sheild grabbing or sheild grabbing. Instances where you want to dash grab are better left to ftilt, down b quake or barrel, or maybe dsmash if you are calling there tech.
Gold_TSG
Can't stop The Dorf Train.
It doesn't matter how one defines his playstyle, as he has several ways to play. No one even knew about his barrel tricks until I showed up, and I honestly think making his dash grab not-useless isn't asking much. I know everything about DK and continue to iron out my game every time I play, and this change will benefit him, as insignificant it may seem to others.