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Completely disagree. If I can set up an inescapable chain throw, its worth trying to get it. Just don't rush in blindly and be sure you can read your opponent.

Beeeeeent if you are not consistent with the chain throw that's YOUR fault, not the game's! JUST PRACTICE THE TIMING AND METAL MARIO IS FREE DAMAGE FOR YOU! Yeah he can dodge, but so can you! Read his spotdodge! Delay the grab and punish! The only reason you need to stall is because you've made...

Keep the Metal Cap In: The Minus Back Room You're free to take it out for your group, but its not going anywhere for the official build. Did you not see me post that Falcon's dthrow is an INESCAPABLE chain throw til like 180%? If you can give me a good example of him being OP (and I mean...

Ok, last post from me on the issue. I typed this up a while ago and forgot to hit send, but gunna go ahead and post it even though Pin hits a lot of the same points I do. Mario players? Hello my name is Zelda, the character where you play keep away the ENTIRE game. Zelda's at her worst in...

I'm not saying you NEED to pick a new character, I'm saying if you're having a hard time with the ones you're using you have the option of using someone with a little more fleshed out defense to it.

Sounds like it doesn't fit YOUR idea of minus, not necessarily what minus really is. Having to play defensively happens, and will continue to happen. Look at how little impact metal had on our games last night. Next to zero against Ness, and in fact it worked heavily against you in the Kirby...

I'm not talking about your Mario, I'm just talking about the times you went Metal. He can't make MM go any faster that you did, that's just his speed. The way I evaded yours would be effective against any MM, and if they weren't it would be a credit to that player being very good with using MM...

Hope those games helped illustrate how easy it can be to just evade MM for a short period of time, and even punish him since his attacks are really broadcast. Best solution I picked up outside of a chain throw is stay in the air (just like regular Mario).

Uploading Vauss' replays atm, had a desynch on the sonic one so you'll need to get me your sonic files if you want that one up. Bent I haven't forgotten about yours, I -might- be able to get them up tonight too but I'm about to play a different game so we'll have to play that one by ear. You...

I don't understand why having to change your playstyle slightly for less than 15 seconds is so massively problematic. Keep in mind its not like your ONLY option is running away. Falcon has a chainthrow, practice its timing if you're having trouble doing it consistently. Zelda's ranged hitboxes...

If you're having this hard of a time against Mario, play Mario against him too. Metal is not going to be removed, just so we're clear about that going forward. Any character can shieldgrab. Even if you don't have a chain throw, throw him away from you and move back and wait for him to approach...

+1 to changing nair to the current fair and reinstating the old fair. Not super keen on extending fair unless we edit the hits to knock away, which would make the extension pointless. As is the first hits are designed to hold them in the move and knock away with the last one, so extending it...

Responded, and whoops yeah I GUESS that might be a good thing to include lol. Oh I just forgot ZSS, I think she's somewhere towards the middle for number of replays. So she's not in like CRITICAL NEED of replays but I'm certainly not going to send them away!

Its being removed in the next patch lol

I won the Random, Pokemon Trainer, and Charizard games! I've got replays, they should be up shortly.

I already have the Kirby games up, more than happy to put others too

Because I'm a big dummy, youtube link - http://www.youtube.com/user/DukeBattledrive Something I've always shot for as an end goal for my youtube channel was a tool for new players to see some of the more advanced techniques available to their characters. And so far its worked great.... except...

I play ROB because before brawl was released I saw a video of a guy chasing someone offstage with his Fairs and up-b and thought 'wow that's kinda neat maybe I'll try him.' I play ROB in MINUS because he's a stone cold love machine.

I beat Pin for the Kirby slot, gunna try to get in touch with Pro for the other places I can challenge.

I'll throw my hat into the ring for Charizard, Ness, Kirby, Ivysaur, ROB, Ike, Pokemon Trainer, and Random I guess???