Remind me why you don't like the idea of C4 no longer transferring?
after a long while, i finally figured out why i didn't like the idea of Snake's C4 no longer transferring during gameplay, and it's all thanks to this video here:
yes, the video title is why we should buff more than nerf, but hear me out.
about 6:57 into the video, there's an interview with professional SFV player Infiltration where he speaks about a nerf (in this case, i'm arguing against a buff) to Ryu where Capcom ended up taking away the invincibility on Shoryuken, something that was in SF4. he says, and i quote: "Adjusting the invincibility of the Shoryuken like that seems like a sudden shift in Street Fighter history and I personally don't like it." now, the quote itself is useless in my case of an argument, except for that this is taking a shift away from vBrawl history and looking straight away into other territory (cough cough PM cough), but noting what the narrator (Jerald, i believe) said before the quote is what lead me to understand why i personally was against the buff, even if it was for my character. sure, i benefit from this buff (as a snake player), but i dislike it because it makes the game less exciting.
believe it or not, i am talking about making a game exciting on the forums to the people who play BRAWL MINUS, the craziest game to ever take on brawl modding, but there's always a point where we have to consider that we've stepped over the line. sure, it
...only serves as an annoyance -- something else to keep track of -- in 1v1 play...
, but that's a good annoyance and forces me to adapt and to use other options instead of, well, the C4. this not only keeps the game fresher for viewers that want to watch the game grow and share it with others, but it also is something that can create a balanced character. now, i know nothing about character creation, but i believe that when you create a character, there’s always got to be a balance between the positives and the negatives of said character, and i think that Snake’s C4 should stay the way it is because of this idea.
as i said before, Snake doesn’t need a C4 buff is because he’s already got other options, or positives. of course, you can imagine the stupidity that is his uTilt, but let’s start off with his neutral b, or his grenade. it has a notably good hitbox that sends people out and away, unlike how it did in brawl. it’s small and can be camouflaged by stages (which makes it hard to see) but extremely easy to hit by other characters (also, keep in mind that Snake can't hit his own grenades unless he sets them off using either a mine, his C4, another grenade, or a motion sensor bomb) which can be useful for getting him out of tough situations. both an amazing defensive tool and offensive walling tool that can kill you and your opponent off the side at 90 if it wants to. another option that Snake has is (in this case) his dash attack cancelling, which can happen after the hitbox comes out all the way until the end of the move (even when Snake does his little rolling animation). this can be cancelled into any of Snake's specials along with b-reverses, he can (of course) DACUS, but as an added bonus, he can cancel into grab when he feels like it too. basically, a stupid fast attack that is extremely safe to throw out in neutral and can make or break a situation. these are just two options that Snake has in brawl minus, and i know that you can already think of another. adding on a stupidly good C4 into the mix just gives him another one to throw onto the pile. looking at the top characters, we list off about three or four moves that get them onto that list every time, but there's always moves that aren't as good as these moves on purpose, like how a person would rather go for pillaring with falco instead of using moves like his fAir and uSmash to rack on damage, as those moves are overshadowed by the rest of his kit. it's always important to know that a character has some really good options, as to which Snake has, but when all of his options become amazing then it just becomes a lame "guess which way you're gonna die?" slaughter fest.
now, let's examine where Snake would use this buff. of course, it becomes about a million times more useful in teams, as you don't have to worry about the damn thing switching every time someone feels like sliding into each other's DMs, but it also becomes way more useful due to
Omnigaying because the sticky never switches (or does it? you devs never explained what you meant by it doesn't stick back onto Snake, whether it just doesn't stick back onto him or simply stays on said person forever until it explodes) making Snake & friends only have to worry about Faux Super Armor, which comes from port priority. in other words, this buff is stupid good in teams, BUT it's already been used by top players during the brawl days (even though it still has a chance of failing, bleh). in singles, snake also gets the buff of never having to worry about the C4 transferring back to him, which makes it nice and simple to (theoretically) go in, get a grab, and get a k.o.. the hardest part (like normal gameplay) is actually getting the stick in the first place, which is easier said than done in all cases due to the mix ups required for allowing time to place the sticky onto your opponent without being found open.
before i move on, i ended up talking to
EpicNonBread over discord about how he felt about the buff. while we both don't agree with Snake receiving this buff, we disagree for different reasons. his reasons go something like this.
1.) vBrawl designed Snake as a very mentality heavy character. He has to think of all of his traps and set ups a few steps ahead. Not to mention he requires strict mental game play for his dthrow tech chasing.
yes, Snake is a technical character, and i (you, the reader) know that you understand that as much as ENB and i do, along with the viewers. i know this dwells in your (specifically you, Bent) "more complicated/technical gameplay to earn greater rewards is better game design" area, but when a character is designed in a way so that you have to be complicated in order to play him, you can't really argue against the denial of a buff when a character is based of off the concept that you’re trying to use to base a counter-argument for. this is especially true for Snake’s dThrow chasing and can be vital for getting a kill, even with uThrow becoming a kill option in minus.
2.) He still has the trap game vBrawl gave him, Minus just filled it with a lot more projectile/hitbox spam. To keep him in the same theme of a very mental-game requiring character, having the Snake to purposely remember who has the c4 for him to detonate would fit the character very well.
i actually don’t have much to say for this point except for that i agree with it, especially with the hitbox spam. keeping Snake’s C4 the way it originally was in vBrawl does reflect the way that Snake was designed, but it also forces the player to figure out when and where to use said item/object, not just sort of toss it out and forget about it and then not have to worry about it later. the buff that the devs are proposing is entirely against the character that he was in vBrawl. however, if the devs wanted to stay loyal to Snake in his original way he played in vBrawl, then they may not have even considered the C4 buff or have even given him the cancels on his other moves like dash attack, which supports a more aggressive style of play.
3.) From a gameplay stance, forcing Snake to remember who has the c4 is an indirect nerf AND a buff. Having to remember who has the c4 is more mentally taxing on the Snake player, but at the same time it allows him to have a safer and faster detonation recovery if he has the c4 on himself. The only change I would like him to have if to be given PM's c4 trigger cancel should the Snake player accidentally hit the trigger.
i agree with the with the idea of keeping Snake’s C4 as a switching explosion box because it requires the user to be creative and slick with timing and placement.
keeping the C4 with an absurdly large range and the ability to stick it on opponents whenever he feels like it (and if they let him do it) for the slight nerf of letting it stick back and forth between characters is a very very well designed tool for sneaky gameplay.
edit: also,
We're Brawl Minus, not Stronger PM.
Bent's Mood: We will make sure to buff Bent's mood to grant the request of making him happy. Bent works hard and is passionate about Minus so he deserves a good mood.