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no hints as to who or what is changing?

it's only a few things that disrupt the flow of her attacks and her overall game. she seems slowed down a bit too.. but comparing her to vbrawl Samus was excessive. she's still far better than that. i just wish i wasn't so late to the beta. having just discovered minus (2.x) was pretty distracting.

you do play a really good ROB. but if they knew how to play ROB, they wouldn't pick Ganon or Falcon. i played a lot of ROB in vbrawl. had a lot of success against most characters, and the people i play with are no slouches. got pretty decent with this ROB before most victories started to...

100% accurate. far as i can tell, and i do play a lot of Samus. v2 Samus was what got me into minus. this samus feels more like vbrawl. except that she can KO eventually.. and some other perks, to be fair. but... hmm.. well a lot of other fun characters to play!...... sigh. oh, i should read...

you've been calling for nerfs to everything that makes her a great character... not just changing uair from a kill combo to a.. kill move... and yes, i loved 2.x samus and feel this time around she got Screwed. ha ha

ask Samus what one or two big changes can do to you. you'll find her somewhere on the other side of that blast line. are we really going to minimize good characters to balance the game? if so, can we start discussing a nerf or two to ROB? Link? Lucario?

what about the new 75m?

or an earlier interruptible frame on new fair.. idunno.

it just doesn't make sense that 2.x samus is superior to max samus. anyway

vanish is fine. sheik need options around the ledge and against reachy spamming.. how high of damage can ftilt lock to? is it only against very heavy characters? i haven't seen anyone get trapped like in vbrawl.. to me, uair is the only one of these moves that seems very lethally abusable. a...

back throw or ftilt! :D i understand it's been around a while and i'm sure it will be pretty cool... i guess reading this thread after seeing the 'let's nerf sheik' thread made me cranky.

there's a long line of characters in need of some positive additions/tweaks ahead of Link.

i totally agree. no one fears sonic. needs more.. maybe give him helm splitter?

sorta weird? how so? the character placements or the tier 'grades'? as for ROB, what exactly are his weaknesses? bad recovery? lack of mobility, power, speed, combos, extremely good projectiles? bad offstage game? i haven't seen you play ROB, by the way... so...

AT THE MOMENT: S Tier 1. Lucario 2. ROB 3. Link A+ Tier 4. Sheik 5. Fox 6. Ganondorf 7. Zelda A Tier 8. Wolf 9. Kirby 10. Yoshi 11. King Dedede 12. Olimar A- Tier 13. Diddy Kong 14. Ike 15. Mario 16. Captain Falcon B+ Tier 17. Pikachu 18. Snake 19. Falco 20. Marth 21. Squirtle B Tier...

certainly possible. but maybe too difficult. an extremely well-timed grab and throw at a couple of power bombs might actually result in the unlikely 20% damage. but usually the opponent retreats and spams projectiles while you take half an hour to come out of your morph ball. forward air...

if peach keeps moving, keeps spacing, poking, retreating she can pressure and rack damage pretty well. difficulty KOing is an issue, but fair and fsmash, even sweetspotted usmash can get a KO before 150. she does have to work, but i think that's pretty fun and there's a lot of potential in her...

looks good. pretty much every stage me and the people i play with use, with the exception of norfair (voted out, people just really don't like that layout) and rumble falls is pretty hotly debated. i'm sure everyone knows why. inflexible recoveries have to be precise. possibly unfair.. thoughts...

suggestions? aside from: BF, FD, SV, Yoshi (Brawl), Lylat, and Non-Transforming PS2

anyone else feel like the change to her fair and bombs resulted in a nerfed character? i miss the old moves. these bombs very rarely hit. too much warning. can make an opponent back off (maybe), but that is about it. the fair, though amazing for horizontal recovery, is very difficult to...