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I thought you were done here? Anyhow, remember that this thread is now practically the only place on this entire forum that is in favor of improving Warlock Punch. So if you're against it, don't bother posting rude or discouraging remarks in here.

It's extremely unlikely to connect offstage, so it's foolish to attempt as-is; minimal chance of reward VS maximum chance of suicide.

Jiggs has 10 jumps. It doesn't need an Up B Recovery.

So, being able to use a character's Special moves offstage and survive is not a "thing", you say? Something that every single character -- except 'Dorf -- can do sounds like a "thing" to me. This is Minus. Known for over-the-top Smashing. What's more epic and over-the-top than a Flying Falcon...

Yep, same goes for Rest. Jiggs can use 6 jumps to float to the top corner of a stage, Rest, then float back to the ledge with her remaining 4 jumps. Offstage, Jigglypuff can take a NAP and survive, but Ganondorf can't survive using his signature move.

Random thoughts before I go to sleep: - Even if I removed the Cancels from the aerial versions of my v1.0 Custom Warlock Punch, the new trajectories would still allow the use of the move offstage without suiciding... - What if, instead of being able to Cancel immediately after the W.P. hitbox...

I deleted that post temporarily, because I need to fact-check some claims I made in it. It's been a long time since I played vBrawl. A little while later... I was wrong about 'Dorf being able to survive an offstage Warlock Punch in vBrawl. He can almost make it back to the ledge, but not...

OK, I'll keep further discussion of this in this thread. I do think the devs are doing the wrong thing leaving the Cancel out, though. The official version should at least not auto-suicide when used offstage, come on. That is definitely useless. I wasn't trying to force these changes on anyone...

Hmm, perhaps I should gather replays of the modified Warlock Punch being used effectively. The momentum boost you get from immediately Cancelling it offstage seems to have much potential IMO.

Lightning, it's a useless move because it rarely ever works as-is. The risk is much too high for the slight chance of reward. A Neutral B move should be more reliable and useful. Doqtor Kirby, which elements of my changes did you find "stupid" after a while? Did you like any of them?

Ah, good. What did you think? Could the move be further modified to the point you would consider it better than the default 3.5 version? You said that you don't approve of the Cancel -- would you be OK with the Punch only being Cancellable in the air? How about the modified trajectories of...

Minus Ganondorf need not be compared to his forms in other versions of Smash. If you want to go that way, though... - IIRC, offstage Warlock Punch is not a guaranteed suicide move in vBrawl. Dunno if it is in Project M or Melee. - 3.5 Warlock Punch is just a beefed-up version of its vBrawl...

Cross-posting this here since it'll probably get deleted from the thread I originally posted it in... --- That's what the devs always say, but I don't get why you all aren't open to the idea of Warlock Punch being a useful move. The Neutral B move of almost every other character in Minus is a...

Looks like a good build at first glance. I'll try it out soon. :) Why do you have 3.3 'Dorf over MAX 1.01 'Dorf, though? Didn't like Warlock Punches getting reflected? Try the custom 3.5 'Dorf in my sig if you like -- I'd appreciate your feedback. Note: It might only work with 3.5; I haven't...

Couldn't have said it better myself. At least give it a try -- offstage, it's a lot better than the guaranteed suicide move it was before. I said I'm willing to take feedback and make changes, too.

The only thing I have customized right now is 'Dorf's Cancellable Warlock Punch. (Try it out!) When I have time, I plan on adding a bunch more custom elements, like stages, textures, and music. I'm interested! Please post it. Do you keep a changelog?

It would be nice to see characters become more expressive.

Request: Please make Falcon's Side Taunt cancellable at frame 90 instead of frame 99. Falcon's hand stops moving right at frame 90, so it makes sense.

Happy Birthday! 20 is a big one. Make it memorable! :)

Testing with my local group went well. Our Ganondorf mains really liked being able to Warlock Punch offstage without suiciding, and none of the other players had any complaints about it. If anything, they were glad 'Dorf ventured offstage more so they could spike or gimp him. I worried that it...