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Dsmash to grab is a joke. Even if dsmash is something dumb like +10 on shield [and it's not, it's zero on shield in Brawl, or maybe even like -3], grab is frame 16 [unless that was sped up], so everyone could just jump the grab [and anyone could roll behind her] (I suppose if it was really +10...

My apologies for getting your thread locked Bent. Out of curiosity, is there a way for you to make a version exactly the same as current 3.Q (or upcoming 4.0), except it always cancels in the air [i.e. it's not an OHC but just an aerial cancel]? If so, I think that's what I'd use.

I think it takes a fair bit of time to spawn armor if you actually have to turn into Samus and turn back, but I do see your point if you could do the taunt and generate armor without switching to Samus [me being a Falco main and someone who practices with item pieces definitely has a skewed view...

Oh that's cool. There are jump specs problems. If everyone could float we'd be DBZ [DBZ mode confirmed???]. Warlock Punch is still the only move that is primarily offensive in nature AND can't be recovered from if you miss. I can and do that quite frequently, with Falcon Punch, Link's dair...

I play Brawl, I dsmash a shield, I can jab and I am totally safe from a shieldgrab off the dsmash. I usually can just run away. I dsmash in 3.Q, and I swear I get punished every time it hits a shield. If someone has frame data to the contrary, by all means prove me wrong, but the move feels...

I think you expected something different out of your arguments. I have not been arguing to try to "be right" nearly as much as I have been arguing to persuade people of my opinion. I think you have been trying to "be right" more than you've been trying to persuade. The truth is, there IS no...

*Edited because spacing was weird. The thing is, it's impossible. Link has deku nuts and actual ability to generate shield breaks. 'Dorf has neither. And EVEN IF 'Dorf could generate shield breaks, it's generally simple counterplay to avoid them [note how rarely shield breaks occur in 64...

@Pin Clock [I have no idea who the ZSS dev is.] Two suggestions for ZSS: - Add a secret taunt that allows her to convert back into Samus and spawn armor pieces [1 or 3, I don't know which] - Revert dsmash to vBrawl dsmash specs [size, damage, safety on shields, endlag and startup] Reasoning: -...

I think at this point, I'd better just do a thematic explanation of why I think this argument isn't going anywhere: As was said in the "visions of minus" thread, everything is inconsistent. Our visions of moves are inconsistent. How I view Warlock Punch: Broken in the sense of the word that...

Neither side is coming around, because either the arguments are ignored [risk/reward vs risk/reward/reliability - no one has provided a compelling reason for only risk/reward, when I've pointed out the flaws in it, and also noted that under the paradigm, risk/reward/reliability of a Warlock...

Concussions, dood. You win a lot of concussions.

...I said "Regardless of conditions", that is, hit or whiff, you should die. Are you telling me if the punch lands you should still die? If so, ok, we'll agree to disagree. If no, then I was either blatantly unclear or you just didn't read what I said. My question was, regardless of conditions...

It's already a mistake to miss - you could have used something that hit [or else you got outplayed if nothing would have hit, the nature of Minus (and Smash) for your opponent predicting you and timing their actions around you]. If you think a whiff should have the strongest consequences, I...

Mario should be able to make it back with his dair and double up+B. Peach is so floaty she'd probably be fine [wallbombing anyone?]. Marth is a floaty with huge vertical recovery. In fact, if Bent doesn't mind, I'd highly advise him to strap the current Warlock Punch [sans cancel] to these...