who says spunky anymore xP and yeah, minus has been nerfed a little every release, but that always happens, the devs take something annoying out, and test something new to see if it would compensate or improve that... the hype is mostly gone because our website isn't as flashy and we don't male trailers for our new releases, and we don't do extensive universal coding on the game, like turbo modes or all star mode or loop stamina mode and stuff like that... PM has a lot of different way to play that all characters can use and that can be turned off and on any time... the closest thing we have to that is items being on or off, and almost a fourth of the cast doesn't even have a final smash that's more useful than their neutral B moves, let alone their standardly reliable moveset... it's just not as flashy as PM cause a lot of peoiple who used to work on both PM and minus moved to minus, iirc.. and that's also made progress between patches take longer since we have less man-power building the hacks, and less of the more experienced devs... at least that's how i've come to understand it, which is why i'm always puzzled by the ideal that we shouldn't use something that's in PM, since a lot of the devs for it are ex-minus, and a lot of the ideas were in melee first... things like falco's dair, i don't particularly enjoy, but it's at least something the devs were willing to use, that's originally melee, and it's not a bad direction..