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I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice the punch for comp or (imcompatible) wifi play, if you guys want to kill the OHKO Warlock Punch off for something else, go nuts. It doesn't sound like that's happening though, it sounds like you're just telling me to use Gandouken more often, which is just...

That explains things. It works GREAT on GC Zelda temple, I smashed 3 CF AI with it when they chased me off that left cliff, not sure if I'd have gotten that without the stop and the recover. I can also use it to attack another opponent, and even another with the up b, etc. Physics could be...

OH, yeah I get this now. It's pretty nice to be able to use it and recover, but since it's really not much different, that also proves a real point. Tbh I'd like it to seem different, but I don't know how this would... change.. anything... That's the point though. Wow. It gives him a lot of...

Okay, so I'm just gonna state my observations... So using the move offstage allows him to jump, that's the difference, the purple color he gets is his final 2 frame invincibility, and by "cancel"... Is it the elongated shadow after a good timing of the buttons? I can't figure it out.

I can live with that. I've been using his 3.3 MAX version on the 4.0b anyways. Lucario is just a brokegasm. It would be a shame to see it go. Glad it's just touching up.

Really now? Nerf Lucario? ....Damn it. :/

If nobody is willing to sacrifice the punch, there's still easily a way to alternate between the two. Mario can become Metal Mario, after all, with just his side taunt.

That's really interesting.... I like C especially. A would be cool, but not easy at all, though I can imagine a nice moveset for him akin to Ike. B would be killing the fun but that would be the most adaptable idea. I'm not sure if my word will help you any, but this is right up my alley of...

I'm gonna say it again... Ultrataunt with buffed moveset. Like where he absorbs dark energy, basically.

So for his 3.3 build added on the 4.0b, basically get the opponent to about 55-95%, activate taunt, either use pre charged aura or a good combo, opponent done. His side b is an instakill, his grabs are as well.... In fact, everything is. It's very risky, but beyond broken, and somewhat...

Silly question Bent 00, you think you could design an ultrataunt based ability for Ganondorf?

Chill. It's debate. This I thought was a good place for video game debate. I enjoy debate. I'm not sure why I'd get banned, nothing I'm saying is meant meanly or in a bad way or even much about.. The thing. Just Ganondorf ideas maybe, comparing to other characters and asking why not. I love the...

Dorf has that now? To be honest, I think he should just be able to cancel it, at the very least. It would give him options, something he lacks now. Why not give him an ultrataunt that makes it cancellable or the other thing, in the vein of Falcon? I mean, if Falcon can have his, Lucario's is...

Why doesn't Ganondorf get stupid-armor like Bowser? Idk but that would even the field at least a little. You could kill off the 666 punch entirely for something quicker and safer. It does really... Hinder his options.

How is that fairly light? You just said there are big gameplay changes in the form of buffs and fixes. That's got weight, IMO. lol

I like how you think... That would be fantastic, but idk what's gonna happen. To be honest, why don't they try to put everybody on S or A tier level? It's much more faithful to the asthetic, though I could imagine it would be hard. Hell, they could look at Link and Toon link and go from there...

Wait, you can stun a character with the reflector? I thought that was just Falco. But I see. And damn, that's all regular attacks.

Fox can be predicted and his hard to control, as well as being a lighter weight character. His lasers can only be used at long distances for their percentages of damage (a meager 1%, Falco has 2% and Wolf's do 4% with extra knockback). He has as many options as Sonic. He can cancel into as many...

but Wolf was just being honest about the mod... It gave him power.

I've only played the beta so far, so I wouldn't know. But that does answer the question, both do. It's just quite morbid and out of place compared to the simple canonical faithfulness-based edits (ex. Ike's) and simple little jokes or redos. Choked by his sentient Reflector... Odd to say the...