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After rereading the thread discussing if ROB is too good, I noticed that Glyph and Kien had a bunch of frame data I'd never seen. Then I realized that since they're devs or whatever, they probably have all the frame data for characters stashed somewhere. I want to see the frame data myself, and...

Didn't I beat you in Wolf dittos? I don't know if I actually underestimated DK too much - in old Minus he felt like a slightly slower but equally deadly Captain Falcon... though I suppose now people think DK > Falcon so yeah, Gold_TSG is really good. I also want to play Gold_TSG's GnW when I...

Darx I need to play you with my Pika later - I just have so much fun playing Falco versus most people and various others versus others (Ganondorf against you) that my Pikachu (Which is mostly just my vBrawl Pikachu making use of his buffs) falls aside. Samus with her old (slow) fallspeed was SO...

Well, describing inputs is a perfectly fine way to describe something - if I hadn't met someone like 2 weeks ago who told me that wavedashing in place is wavestalling I wouldn't have known either, but I was able to visualize exactly what you meant. And yes, some people I know who are very...

Delfino is fine because the transformations that have problems are temporary (you don't have to play around them for a whole match). While it's not a starter, I think leaving it legal as a CP (at least for now) is perfectly fine. Unless we want a really small stage list, in which case, ban it...

Not positive, but I think thunder not connecting while grounded is intentional, since it does damage to Pichu - it's now an anti-air/juggling tool where you aren't punished with percent for using it while still. Not sure though.

If Minus didn't add back in ledge-cancelling, it wasn't a thing in Brawl, but it's possible that you landed and immediately walked off without going into a walk or something... I'd have to think more about this, but it's not in Brawl so my original explanation may be lacking...

So, a mix of Roy and Marth. Sounds cool. I bet Marth ends up being better than Lucina for pros, but Lucina is better for casuals, because spacing makes Marth's world better, but casuals don't practice that stuff. Unless Lucina has some attacks that are as powerful as Marth's tips or do...

She's probably actually an exact Roy clone :]

I still remember how salty you were when I beat you in Jiggs dittos when I used explosion twice and finished with Sing->Rest XD

Captain Falcon is back! YESZ! (Also Robin and Lucina are in, and Chrom appears in the game somehow, but not sure how...)

Wait so only 5 people played? Are there vids or not? Or am I reading that chart wrong?

You can jump-cancel rollout, and you can grab the ledge with Sing, last I checked... or is that a Melee-only thing? Also if you're high enough you don't die with Sing - Jiggs has plenty of jumps + rising pound to make it back.

Also, if it hasn't been done, add KBG back to side+b. I wouldn't mind seeing skull-bash jump-cancellable instead of shield-cancellable (JC-able on startup [charging] and while it's firing). Could make for dynamic, mind-gamey approaches. This buff might also be obscenely good and just invalidate...

Well if she's getting a new moveset, ok, because I agree 100% - Samus's moveset was very VERY poorly suited to her fallspeed, which is why I wanted the old one back so bad (and I played a fairly aerial Samus, which I noted after playing her). She also needs some recovery buffs now, but I trust...

I suppose these could just be frame-perfect exploits, but they're still not exactly how the moves were supposed to function (I thought).

1. In a 3-for-all, I used MK uthrow on Bowser, and got Ike fsmashed on the way down. Thanks to port priority, I was living, and there was a bob-omb in hand. I then threw it up (Trying to usmash, not realizing it was there), and then I either couldn't move or was so mesmerized by it I didn't move...

I meant by a new animation that you just remove lasers entirely from Falco's uthrow. I dunno, maybe some sort of uppercut animation or something... or are you saying that even with a new uthrow animation, you'd still mess up the BKB and KBG values, and that we don't have the ability to delink...

Probably a million times too good, but is it wrong to want Samus's bombs to explode on shield/contact by opponent? I don't think they explode on contact with an opponent, and I think that would be awesome if they did... if they do, then never mind this. Falco's uthrow is COMPLETE garbage at...

Dude Jiggs shield break is so legit - I got like two or three of them this on time I beat Bash in Jiggs dittos XD. Bash, you were sooooooo salty at the ending (fsmash to tech-chase with sing (since in corner of hyrule 64) to rest). Pretty sure that was either the only, or one of two legit kills...