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Peach isn't so tame if she's fighting someone really really bad like Pichu... Does anyone know how the Wario Peach MU is in this game? Despite Wario being fat and having decent KO moves while Peach lacked them, that MU apparently favored Peach in vBrawl (I've seen a few say it's even, but never...

Thought Marth wasn't elemental - but the thing (where he charges and the enemy dies after he's done some sort of motion) after combined with the sigil on the ground could be workable. @Bent 00 were you trying to shieldgrab the dash attack or what? Pretty sure Luigi is smacking around his hands...

Sounds interesting... given the mention of broken approaches, it could also just be that Peach Bomber is immune to projectiles - and we already sort of have a precedent for that in Raptor Boost (Admittedly, CF has some issues since he can't float over riff-raff stuff that Peach can, and this may...

I can personally do without vBrawl jab, NEWB, but I did like vBrawl usmash... or even the older one that was a single slash instead of this pseudo-shoryuken that only really combos into nado consistently.

LEGALIZE BIG BLUE!!! Is necessity for Peach to be tournament viable. Also still need some matches with The Concept there.

Wait, so she got a buff in previous versions where doing the kick restores her down+b? Because I can assure you that was never in Brawl... I would support removing the down+b refresh via kick in exchange for giving her a jump back (and maybe, just maybe, making down+b refresh when she is...

I can already hear the Wifi jons on Spookyman's behalf... unless he somehow consistently lands fair -> dair -> distant dair or some nonsense like that... at which point DI would be a good friend to have. Zelda should not be able to 2-3 hit zero-death anyone, and I mean anyone, on the roster...

Unless they nerfed it, Whirling Fortress OoS is a strong option. Of course Sonic is much faster but if he's not careful the RR can probably catch him. This doesn't sound easy, but I'd think that Bowser's ability to KO super early (and Sonic probably not KOing Bowser until at least like 160%) and...

Beating Link? Lucario can combo him for days and has good movement, ROB can combo too and has a projectile game to match, Falco gives him problems with his own reflectors, better projectile in lasers, great spiking, and flexible recovery, and Olimar can play the walling game since the boomerang...

Owo, you should return those Dissidia quotes to the rift they came fr- I mean the blank space of th-- oh just stop bringing them up! JK I appreciated it. Also good luck to people still in tournament - am curious who will come out on top!

Was gonna post my own ideas, but I read the rest of the thread, and have some explaining to do to a certain Jigglypuff. This was my EXACT experience with utilt, and just on a level 3 AI in training, which usually has ZERO DI - this move is bad, and needs fixing. In regards to your Olimar...

I had figured it was awful, but some people were saying it's not that bad, and I was curious if maybe you could fight through the MU or knew some tricks to it. I guess not... Anyone else feel maybe Luigi needs some kind of buff to help him out against Olimar a bit? No one else's Olimar MU is...

Powerup = great Luigi? Must play him with Olimar... want to see how he handles the MU... Gah so many Peeps to play! And these marshmallow chicks were challenging me earlier today too!

FYI, in my fake changelog, by "Gets a cancel on WP" I meant whatever cancel they currently put in (if you land in air it cancels, or whatever), not adding something more (just so devs don't go "No that's stupid" because it's more than what was put in).

For the record, I liked the beam sword on MK fthrow, because it was awesome and let me use item play to amusing effect. I do understand why it left though, so whatever.

Jiggs wasn't even touched... neither was Marth... kinda easy for you to say to Glyph and some others. But I'll listen if the others do. It's still very well-put together overall, most people here just want things to be perfect. I think most of us would agree over 75% of the cast is doing well...

Glitch overloaded on Sprite? Is he ok?

There are definitely some people who strongly dislike Project M and prefer Melee and some are even hoping for Smash 4. I just wish people would give new games a chance before quitting on them - maybe Sakurai saw that coming and gave up on trying to please people back in 2007...

I'll play your Ness. Didn't say I wouldn't. Who in this game can't gimp or spike Ness safely??? Lucas? Ness? ICs? Dedede? Wolf? MK can (unless his damage is so pitful he armors through it all), Olimar can, Diddy Kong can, Marth can, Snake can, [Falco can,] Pikachu can, ZSS can (sort of)...

What did you do to MK fsmash? I know about Roy nair and sort of about Falco lasers (a passing comment you made somewhere, or else you pushed it more than I realized) but I have no idea where you discussed MK fsmash...