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Sounds like an interesting trade-off for losing the spike. I suggest moving the ranged D-Tilt hitbox further away from Zelda, and raising it up to ground level. It needs to be worth using in a certain situation over any other move -- it's currently inferior to ranged F-Smash, ranged Dash Attack...

That sounds like one of the proposed versions from the first post: IV.) Taunt Power Up: Cancellable vBrawl W.P. is default; Side Taunt switches to U.C. O.H.K.O. for one use. Or are you thinking of something different?

Ganondorf shouldn't have to Side Taunt every time he wants to be able to Cancel a weaker Warlock Punch.

How did you teach Gold PSA? Links to certain tutorials, explanations you typed yourself? I'd appreciate it if you would link me to copies of any such material. Side Taunt just granting one Cancellable Warlock Punch isn't enough -- the focus here is to return the W.P.C. to prominence while...

Concept, I like Versions I, III, IV, and VIII the most currently. I don't like II as much because 'Dorf loses his O.H.K.O. entirely. I'd prefer him to keep his Uncancellable O.H.K.O. as an alternate, non-default input or mode. Falcon can have two versions of the PAWNCH, so why can't 'Dorf...

Concept, I liked MAX 1.01 'Dorf the best so far, but that version of Warlock Punch was too powerful to have the Cancel. Pin, I agree. This thread is mainly for my local group and anyone else who misses the W.P.C.; I won't require that my online opponents download the custom version to Brawl me...

That's the plan. Just haven to decide which version to use. That's what the thread is supposed to help me decide.

Purple flames are Ganondorf's thing. Ike should have blue flames.

No, of course not. Why do you care so much? I get that you're against the W.P.C. returning, but this is my personal project now; it doesn't affect you or official Minus unless you want it to. It's sort of like how you made your personal change to D.K., and require that anyone who wants to play...

Thor, the MAX 1.01 O.H.K.O. Cancellable Warlock Punch was too safe to use, considering it was the strongest attack in the game. The only critical weakness it had was projectiles, IMO. I thought getting reflected by shields was a somewhat fun mechanic, but it wasn't enough of a drawback. A good...

They didn't need to spike so well, that much is true...

It was probably a nod to Roy's Neutral B, since Ike replaced him. I like how Project M made Ike's flames blue, as a reference to the Final Battle of Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn.

Hmm, I'm not seeing how Versions I-V and VIII are "ridiculous and game-breaking". You read the detailed descriptions of them? There's an advantage and a weakness in each one. As for being too similar to Falcon Punch? That's a big part of the problem in the current 3.5 version! - Both punch...

IMO, both of those ideas sound better than Zelda's 3.5 ranged D-Tilt. It and ranged Dash Attack feel so weak now...

I tested Zelda's 3.5 ranged D-Tilt some more. It's not that hard to hit with now that I've practiced with it, but the old version was still so much better. I also decided that it's not just ranged F-Smash (which is still great) and ranged Dash Attack (which feels over-nerfed) that outclass...

Care to recommend any specific tutorials for a PSA newbie? I work full-time, so I haven't had time to find any myself yet. Lightning... I'll say it again: There was no reason to bring up why the MAX 1.01 Warlock Punch shouldn't be Cancellable, since that's not the exact version I want to bring...

Better than a lethal spike? Wut? Before 3.5, ranged D-Tilt was awesome. Now it's... bleh...

That's like a mix of Aura and No Sympathy Mode... You may be onto something here. Then again, I have a hard time picturing Pichu ANGRY.

If you did read it, then why would you ask that about the MAX 1.01 version of Warlock Punch? It should be obvious that I don't want to bring that exact version back; I want to restore the useful Cancel it had, while keeping the new version balanced. You three are being rude now, come on. I...

I'm not saying she should get all (or even half) of the horizontal range back on ranged D-Tilt -- just some of it. Between a quarter and a third of the old range, I'd say. Sure, I could adapt, but I'd just end up never using ranged D-Tilt. It's almost never worth the risk to use it as-is. Just...