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I feel like all this discussion of style and Ganondorf sorely needs a Bizzaro Flame joke, but I can't think of one. Squall hammer is REALLY good for recovery - it keeps the climbers together [allowing for more quickly moving to offense] and it's invincible [or it said that in a changelog...

Rest can be recovered from, Sing is useless in the air [unless it puts people to sleep in air, which it doesn't] and grabs ledges, Squall hammer is a recovery move. Warlock Punch can't be recovered from on whiff, actually does stuff to people in the air, and is impractical [at best] as a...

There's literally only moves that induce helplessness and Warlock Punch. If the dev team just says "guess what, we want Warlock Punch to leave you helpless", then fine. That's dumb, and I'll continue to think it's dumb. But I dare you to name other suicide moves that aren't recovery ones...

Offstage Ganondorf projectiles shouldn't happen at all. I'll stand by that. Attempt punches, attempt other aerials, attempt suicidal up+Bs, don't attempt the projectile and comboing into it - that's just stupid. Also on the record against flub hitboxes. I think it should be all or nothing...

Falco's dair. Peach's nair. Falcon's every aerial. 'Dorf's every aerial, side+b, and warlock kick. Hm guess everything 'Dorf does offstage needs to kill him. We street fighter now. Also we need to remove Mortal Draw guys, it doesn't kill Link but you can people offstage with it. And it's...

Does this mean you want to revert any moves not Brawl to their Brawl versions [ex: Lucario counter, no taunt hitboxes except Luigi, Wario up+b and down+b, etc.]? If so, I think we'll just agree to disagree there, since I like a lot of those changes and think they were positive steps for Minus...

By true to its origins do you mean true to 2.x.6, true to BPC's original ideas, true to Brawl, or what?

This last part is not quite correct. For instance, I'm not discontent with Falcon's current neutral B or his usmash, but I think they could be better and fit better with what I think of as Minusy. I'm not going to complain if they're not in though, I'm just trying to think of ways to make Minus...

Maybe this is even worse, but... I was sort of suggesting just making a new gfx, so could you make that, import it, and code it to replace the current gfx when the variable is called?

Will reply to this later. Have a paper to write and a busy week ahead, but when I have some free time available I DEFINITELY want to put in my thoughts on this.

They are replacing JC with grab cancel and wallcling/jump cancel. [Maybe not wallcling cancel]. I think almost all DDDs just spam waddles and it still works [I know I've done that to humorous effect, and my DDD sucks]. Can't tell if you're saying good to not make changes, but I still firmly...

Is that why you quit Minus too?

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True, grabs, but still true. I understand what you mean here, but I had an idea.. what if we make a 64-esque animation and attach it separately? Is this possible??? Even to just the ultrataunt version [if no changes happen]? Because then we could either do the single strong hit with a cool...

Yes, please show us PM/Smash 4 Mewtwo. But seriously, if there is a Mewtwo in the works, please do show.

Current usmash out of Falcon Kick is stupid too, now that the offset was reduced. Also Falcon Kick is very punishable [I played another Falcon main who's not into Minus anymore (he does Smash 4) and he'd punish almost all my Falcon Kicks in the ditto - I punished a fair number of his too, and...

Actually, I would believe it if Megasaturn99 waveshined any of us, but I don't think Pin would get hit by the last shine offstage.

Would even just buffed Falcon Punch [to be faster but single 20% hit] be too much? To be honest, that's what I'd most love to see... the usmash idea is just one that came to me and I thought would look cool [and as Darx mentioned, Zeus has one...]. Or did the "power curve increase" not affect...

@Pin Clock because I don't know the Falcon person. I have two suggestions about these moves [and unlike with uthrow uair on Fox I'm not nearly as intent on wanting these in], but... I'll just throw them out. - Create a 64 animation for Falcon's usmash, and make it like 64. - Remove the super...