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Oh they took it down? Well it's not like it was fake anyway. Ninty should seriously not leave so much code lying around.

I'm not actually sure we will even here of them tomorrow, though.

But the great pumpkin is our lord and savior and he died for our sins in the name of all pumpkins and pumpkin people!

Yes! The ship is real! Woot Woot!

At this point, this thread should be mostly about predictions and speculation, as well questions to the dev team, though questions could probably get their own thread or a simple pm might do. Could probably talk about anything as long as it leads back into those things I guess.

I was only saying u throws were bad for combos/long powerful combos that are guaranteed. Those guys have good u throws for reads and possible follow ups because of that which can lead to big damage.

Which is why juggling doesn't work as well.

Probably has to do with gravity and the fact that minus has great combo throws or great positioning throws on those characters that aren't uthrow so they really shouldn't be done anyway.

I was talking about u throws being bad in terms of combos. I know uthrow was usually great for that in melee. As for why they aren't as good in minus is likely because our characters are designed for combos, which uthrow never really does.

Well, it has been said that not every move needs to be particularly useful. In general, uthrow has always been the least useful throws in smash games in terms of combos. Uthrow has generally been used to toss people up and then punish their landing or to just keep juggling them. That or it's...

It's easy to say what we think minus is when the player base is as microscopic as it is. I steer closer to kien's opinion a bit but if that's the case, minus would need some overhauling again. This of course, may or may not be happening in 4.0.

I don't play falco, I just say it in a video. He gets guaranteed follow ups off it of course but I think the only setup for it is if they don't tech dthrow or something.

Gold, do you know about his Dair cancel, where if you land Falco's DAIR on frame one and immediately land afterwards, it auto cancels. This doesn't really help him since he can't setup for it well, just curious if you know. Also, Luigi has decent enough recovery as long as he has his double...

I feel it's okay for some things to be guaranteed. There is just a very tricky line as to where too much is too much. Minus struggles with that, since it's trying to be on the more combo oriented end of that.

For those that don't know, gold isn't joking. Luigi's dthrow is literally that stupid. Can get at least two attacks after a dthrow on any weight class regardless of how you DI. To be fair, down b after dthrow does take a little precision to get all and the final hit but even if you can manage...

You mean like luigi's dthrow in smash 4? Yeah, I can almost forgive the insane follow ups after that, if not for the fact it leads into downb as well. If I had a nickel for every time I've seen Luigi kill from dthrow downb on YouTube. Jeez.

It IS being nerfed to only 25% unless plans have changed. There is that.

There is a big difference between just beating someone handily with combos, mindgames, and generally outplaying them in neutral then just doing an uthrow instead of that. So what if they would win normaly? That just means that they don't have to work as hard for the win. Getting a lead at...

How is he still light weight? Wasn't he made heavier so his jumps would get nerfed? And I have serious doubts that the intention was that his entire entire character would be designed around the uthrow. That's just stupid.

I think it's kind of random because that's how bombs work. I think uthrow is partly fine but needs tweaking or removing. I don't like the idea that you just win as long as they have one stock left and you have at least two. It dulls the matchup a lot imo.