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I'm here to interrupt this discussion with a shameless plug for the community tier list I'm making since I figure this will reach the most people. https://forums.brawlminus.net/threads/4-0b-community-tier-list.838/ Come over and vote, and get your friends to vote and discuss.

We should put $$$$ on the CPUs

Well, we've played this version of Minus a lot since it came out and I've decided we should have a tier list. And since Minus is community driven, I think we should have a community tier list. Here's how it'll work: I've put every character in a Google Form, which will be open to everybody. You...

The time limit on TL's arrows aren't really a big deal for him since he can set them back up really quick.

Will do once I save up money for this game.

The grounding hitbox just misses ROB and needs to be adjusted. But more on the Bowser Squirle MU I have less problems fighting MK as Bowser which should really tell you how bad it is.

Thor,if you're referring to Bowser's Flying Slam not working on ROB, that was an accident. He somehow avoids being hit by the grounding hitbox of Flying Slam.

This is very much true. BC (who has a really good Squirtle) was trying to find a counter for Bowser, whom I've recently discovered I'm really good at. Bowser can't really touch Squirtle, since Squirtle is too mobile. Squirtle also has the ability to fair Bowser across the stage and into the...

This is a minor thing, but Peach's dash attack isn't cancelable into everything. I was disappointed when I discovered that it wasn't cancelable into her taunts. Edit: I somehow accidentally triple posted this. Whoops.

Not only is Thor completely right about the gravity and hitstun being mutually inclusive, the devs could also decide to go with completely new values as a middle ground. Don't use it as an argument or you'll look back and realize you sounded stupid.

I'm pretty sure it's totally possible to spawn any item in her hand during a taunt, including the armour pieces.

Peach's side taunt that's cancelable into itself is silly (lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalaLALALAALALALhailsatanLALALALALALALALALALA). It's even sillier that she can glide toss out of it since it's roll cancelable.

Basically, the codes we're using fuck up Battlefield's music. Deleting having unlocked the music and never unlocking it again levels of fuck up. So there was a code used that always plays the Battlefield music at the same rates, which get's around the music being deleted. That's why it does that.

Thor The only Minus match I've ever seen go to 8 minutes was one where Sonic was fighting on Hyrule castle. Minus is fast enough to the point where it really shouldn't ever time out. There's really no issue with the pacing of the game as it is now.

Doqk, Weight has nothing to do with fall speed.

Back before the gravity change Minus was Brawl. Brawl with more hitstun and wacky moves, sure, but it still felt like Brawl. With the new gravity, Minus feels like it's own Smash game, and the gravity works well with the new hitstun, making the combos you get feeling less like easy mode, and...