Last weekend I got a local SSBM group into minus. To give you an idea of their skill, one of our best players made 58th at evo (which is hard.) The other is *unofficially* the best in the region. Beats PPU and all the other ranked players up and down the street. They loved the idea of auto L cancel. Will provide replays soon. Few things we thought about minus at high levels: 1) Zelda is godly. How? Have good spacing. Don't approach. She has some of the best shield pressure as she can still teleport if it hits shield and then can do whatever. It became impossible to approach a SHFFing Zelda. Also has a two to three hit Zero-death on every character. (JUST SAYIN.) Welcome to camp Zelda where all you need is fair, bair, dtilt, and fsmash. 2) Roy needs better recovery. nuff said. (Well Minus has a very offstage nature and Roy's recovery is no.) It's also very hard to combo even with being able to JC his Fair. 3)Pichu needs NSM 4) G&W deserves to be higher. 5) Nobody could make sonic good. 6) Nobody could make Samus good. 7) Bowser's RR isn't too stronk but its really stronk for the KO potential it has. 8) SDI helps but not enough 9) Though we know it was intentional, its really odd yet good how marth can move in the air like vBrawl Wario 10)Rob is not OP 11)Nobody could make Wario good. 12) Dash dancing is always better than running Wish I had replays on me right now. Will upload in the weekend. EDIT: Can a mod move this to the minus general disscusion?