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uthrow in Melee is godlike. Fox - up air Falco - dair, shine, whatever Puff - REST [or uairs] Sheik - CGs spacies at 160% [ok it's her dthrow whatever] Marth - utilt or regrab fastfallers Peach - CG fastfallers for a while, often leads into nair or bair Falcon - KNEE Doc - fair Ganondorf - same...

I just want uthrows to work right... more often than not I seem to get punished for using Falcon uthrow, and Fox uthrow only works sorta right on a small handful of characters, if that. Falco's is purely positional [and he's not the greatest at exploiting people above him anyway] and Puff's is...

I got a double uair -> utilt -> dair -> falcon kick -> dair -> knee on BC [or something like that]. Minus being "too safe" is purely a matter of opinion. There are people who feel Melee is too safe, at least if you're playing a spacie [mash da shine button if you can force them to shield and if...

Incidentally, Luigi has guaranteed aerial shoryuken on the entire cast in Smash 4, but it's a percent-specific range [I believe it starts at 107%], at least according to one Luigi main on Smashboards. Guaranteed stuff is bad? Oh c'mon, if you get hit by the setup move your opponent earned it...

I don't... what? Falco's dthrow was never intended as a kill move? Did you mean Falcon dthrow and typo'd or what? I've said it before - he's probably the easiest to kill character in the entire game and very swingy, and this helps him solidify leads slightly [but he's still liable to just up...

If you have any mashing skills whatsoever he doesn't get 2 pummels until at least 60+% unless you're only talking about pummels and not a throw followup, at which point he just got either 4 or 6% - that's soooooo devastating in Minus, when Falcon Kick -> dair -> knee does 40+% [and leads into...

Similarly, Ice Climbers have a 20-death out of a grab in Melee and an excellent wavedash to quickly cover space, making a grab in a 1/3 of a second a threat from anywhere within a wide radius on the ground. That's why people play differently against ICs as well. Incidentally, MK is also among...

I mean it's part of how the MU is defined. I personally think MK is the easiest character to KO in the entire game - maybe Jiggs or Squirtle is lighter and Jiggs falls slower, but MK is combo food yet still ridiculously lightweight. It's part of his design - he's very swing-y as of now, and...

Double uthrow KOs lightweights [I believe it KOs Falco]. So if you get the lead of a stock, uthrow them once they get off the revival platform and then when you spawn you just need one grab to be up 45% on your stock to 0% on their next. I also happen to think uthrow is fine, but I'm only one...

I think this just means MK is not meant to be gimped ever - he can back from anywhere with just those 4 moves, so the user must make a mistake in order to die off the bottom. You can still meteor smash him out of all of them though. I think uthrow is mostly fine, but I see why many think it's...

Meta Knight is meant to rule the air [alongside Jigglypuff]. It's not obnoxious that he just chases you forever because that's how he's designed, and has drawbacks to compensate [featherweight, easily combo'd, slow airspeed, etc.]. If you're trying to say MK is broken, I'm disagreeing, because...

You have to be frame-perfect to aquire the same effect. I guess with buffer it's maybe SLIGHTLY easier because you could be too fast, but if Wolf jumpsquat is 4 frames, you have to hit jump then L or R 5 frames or less after you jump, or else you won't achieve a perfect waveland. For reference...

This button combination was assigned intentionally, as it makes it MUCH easier to do perfect wavelands [that is, to gain the maximum distance from a Wolfdash (name for Wolf's wavedash that I've seen)]. I believe it is because Wolf has very high traction, so if he didn't have this input and you...

Characters can actually deal with that effectively. Air camping has holes. Olimar I'm not sure needs nerfs, given that he's a paperweight, but I'd be unsurprised to see further damage nerfs. He is obscenely good in certain MUs [like Falco, he hard counters Luigi, since Luigi is basically...

If you use side+B and press L or R + a direction in the air, you'll get an airdodge where you control the direction and become helpless. Unlike with Fox, who does this by airdodge + direction, Wolf does it with side+b + R or L + direction. I assume in your button mashing you managed to input...

The other problem is that some things were just waaaaaay too powerful. Sheik has been nerfed every iteration since MAX and she's super duper duper good. Also thanks to Smash 4 I've started abusing Vanish out of shield and the results are hysterical [it lets me escape and punish Peach dair...

Waaaaaaaaaaay back in this thread somewhere [it might be the first page, but I think it's one that's a ways in], Pin Clock [head of development] made an announcement where he gave us a partial changelist [with some stuff omitted and everything subject to change]. One of the changes to Ike was...

That's just Minus MAX No Sympathy mode that Ike had if I remember correctly.

No not at all. I was just saying that if Brawl Minus boards were very strict about "on-topic" and tried to clearly define it, you would have by now. But the point of these boards is to discuss Minus and have fun, with subtopics. The fact that we're not harming anyone by bringing up silly...

If Fox jumpsquat is frame 3, this option is still frame 4 [if shine was made like Melee], making it the fastest possible OoS option in the entire game [since every game has had shielddrop endlag (I think even 64 did), it's also the fastest OoS in both all the Nintendo-made games AND I believe...